Wii Gameplay

[Belabor]

Originally Posted by NeverDie

I think everything is good except paying 60 bucks to buy additional controllers+nunchuck.

I agree with this. It really should've come without an nunchuck standard and two remotes. I really don't like how 3rd parties are going to rely on the nunchuck just so they can port their xbox games over with minimal changes.

Originally Posted by NeverDie

As far as the price of the wii system... nintendo always said it would probably be around the 250 mark. It was reported by most sites that it would likely be 250. And as soon as it was announced that it would be 250... everyone was shocked. Quite silly if you ask me.

I fully expect them to drop the price to $200 as soon as the 360 drops its price point. Nintendo always does this. They did it with the Gamecube.

[NeverDie]

Yeah but I don't expect a 360 price drop anytime soon. As an MS rep stated...

"We don't need a price drop. Our system costs 100 dollars less than the 360. That is our price drop."

[InspectorG]

Bela you are right about the core X360, but I was thinking about parents shopping this holiday season and seeing Core 360 for 299$ and Wii for 250$. It doesnt look that different too them price wise, where as if the wii was 199 it would look a lot more appealing.

Nintendo reps have stated they will be making a profit on the hardware sold right off the bat, where as most systems come out cheaper and take a loss on hardware only to make up on software sales later on down the road.

I think 250$ is too much for what is basically a souped up Gamecube with a new awesome control system.

I think Wii is gonna be fun for awhile but after a year or so the gameplay might start to wear a little thin and the obvious lack of system power might start to hurt, especially when X360 3rd year and PS3 2nd year games start to show off.

IG

[vulpnine]

Frankly a change in the way games are played could be the strong point of the Wii. Sure we have the advanced hardware of the 360 and PS3 but all that power just for graphics tends to cut down on the general "feel" for a modern game. I remember back in the old days, NES/SNES/Gen, you could buy a game and it would take you several days to play and even complete, even if you did complete it, you tended to play it once again. Now a days you spend over 50-60 for a new game only to play it for a day or two, beat it, and shelf it only to either exhcange it for a new one or let it collect dust.

I'm waiting for the stores to take preorders for the November 19th release. I just hope that there isn't the same problem where everyone preorders but it takes months just to fill everyone's orders. Honestly I'd like to see how much different it would be if you were to use a remote for precision aiming for Call of Duty 3 than having to use a controller to aim the crosshairs. Hell, as I see it, 3rd party manufacuters are gonna come up with other things like actual toy guns that'll emulate the Wii remote so you may see a bigger market for FPS games going to the Wii for the realisim of aiming an acutal firearm.

I'd gladly pay $250 for a system that may see more time in usage than paying $399 for a system where I may just only buy one or two games that I'd be able to beat within the day. Or even the crazy price of the PS3, which is loaded with features that you could get at half price for a good PC.

The backlog of games would be interesting though I'm wondering on just how many games would actually make the Wii. There are the few rare types which ran for limited production, the "Japan Only" types. And the unlicensed types that eventually got pulled from the market and you can only find on places like eBay. Would be interesting though if Tegen Tetris did make it to the Wii's backlog.

[InspectorG]

Vulp, I agree with you that changing the way games are played is a good thing, however why not change the way games are played on a system that can also produce top notch graphics and performance? Answer, cause its cheaper for Nintendo to go with basically a souped up Gamecube. Frankly, its fine to go this route, but why not come in at 150 bucks or so. 250 is still an investment and then with the add on of a few games and another controler, you are talking a significant investment.

Im not exactly sure I get your statement about graphics cutting down the "feel" for a modern game. Look at computer gaming. Its so important that they strive for awesome graphics and more power that I literally cant even play computer games any more as I cant keep up with the technology.

I don't buy the graphics are not important argument I hear from a lot of Nintendo fanboys. If thats true we'd all still be playing our Ataris and Nintendos. Yes, gameplay is ultimately the most important part of a game, but it is also nice when my parents come over and see me playing FiFa on my Xbox and my mom actually thinks Im watching a game on TV. She wont think that when Im playing Wii sports. Its also fun to play Dead Rising and have literally hundreds of zombies attacking me with zero slow down. I dont think Wii could handle that game which whether you want to admit it or not is limiting the types of games that come to the Wiiiiiiii.

I still question whether the second generation games for Wii will be good enough to keep up the excitement and hype the new control system brings that will begin to fade after a year or so.

This console war is defintly gonna be the bloodiest one I think ever. Theres going to be three consoles with a real shot at the title.

IG

[Blisken]

I dont think the novelty of using the new controller will wear out IF the developers use it to advantage. If they just approach it as just a controller with buttons then yeah, that'll be lame. I don't want it to be gimmicky and only for use with certain games. I'm worried a lot of programmers will leave the gyroscope movements out of most games simply because its easier to make the game use the available buttons. I don't need a super high end graphics monster console because I've got a computer thats a few years older that does a better job. I just want fun party games on a console. To me consoles are good only for that. I use consoles only when I have company over and we can play games that have 4 player modes. I don't want a console to play halo, thats lame. I hate console FPS games.

[NeverDie]

Ins... it's not so much that it was cheaper to stick to the gamecube style graphics...

An awesome control scheme plus awesome graphics = what sony is attempting. What they've got is a controller that looks to be half as effective as the wii controller and they're having huge issues developing the hardware for the graphics goals. Plus, it seems that developing games for the ps3 is the most difficult of the three systems. You really can't have it both ways. Not yet.

Do I think the wii is gonna do well long run? No. Unless amazing games come out for the wii... eventually people are gonna drop it cause of the graphics. While graphics didn't have to be their focus... they could have at least sought a middle ground between what microsoft is doing and the gamecube. But then, the controller is a huge advancement, nintendo's games are generally excellent, and they are able to produce 4 million units before the end of the year which neither the xbox nor the ps3 could dream of doing for an opening.

Wii will win this year. It will probably do well next year. After that... who knows. It depends on whether or not the ps3 can be produced enough with enough quality games... though it looks as though Sony will be struggling with that.

Anyways... I'm rambling and I can't remember why I started writing this. I'm taking a nap. Whee... er wii!

[InspectorG]

Bliss I really like your post as it echoes my feelings on past Nintendo systems, as the 4 players at once thing was practically the only reason I got any enjoyment out of N64 and Gamecube but think about buying 3 more Wii controllers plus the system. At 60 bucks a pop thats gonna be over 400 bones. For the price, I think the graphics and power should have been upped. As is, even if I love the wii I'll be waiting for a price drop.

I dont exactly agree with you about FPS on consoles though. Many bad grades in high school due to 5+ hour GoldenEye sessions with my friends prove otherwise.

:2guns:

NeverDie, you bring up a good point about Nintendo being able to produce many, many more systems this year. There are reports that they are way ahead of schedule and there are many units sitting in wharehouses. If they can get out a lot of systems this holiday season while the hype is at its peak, thats gonna be very interesting.

IG

[NeverDie]

Goldeneye worked so well on the console because of those little yellow buttons that worked like the wasd keys. I think the n64 is still the best controller ever made for consoles. It worked with just about every genre.

[Belabor]

[NeverDie]

god bless vgcats

[[SEAL]Geo]

Did anyone here preorder the Wii on Friday from ebgames/babbages/gamestop? I did...dunno why, but I did. Also picked up Zelda!

[Belabor]

Originally Posted by [SEAL]Geo

Did anyone here preorder the Wii on Friday from ebgames/babbages/gamestop? I did...dunno why, but I did. Also picked up Zelda!

I think those trade-in deals are a total ripoff. They pay $5 for what they'll turn around and sell at $45.

[[SEAL]Geo]

??

I never trade in anything. I keep all my games no matter what, unless I sell it to a friend. I told a guy at eb games that I still have the original FF7 game, with the black label, and he's all "ohh, that's a rare game. We can give you a lot for that here if you trade it.." HA, yeah right. I'm better off selling it on ebay for $80...but fudge that, it's mine. Best FF ever!

[vulpnine]

It's quite odd that on Firday the 13th. I ended up as the 13th and final person to get my hads on a preorder from my local Gamestop. The games I'd never trade in unless they were really so bad that I'd warrent one. My GC though, I'll probally trade that in though the prices they want for a used system because of the influx is gonna be around $20 with an extra $10 if it comes with a GBA Player. Considering a new system is $99 and a used is $49.

I've preordered Zelda since early last year and had it paid for in full a month before the suspected March 2005 release. Heh...Glad I did. Switched the preorder to the Wii so I don't have to pay for it when I get my system.

Stating from before. I guess I'm just an old school gamer. The simple use of graphics and the lack of speech forced someone to, in part, use their imagnation to broaden the game. Also desingers put a lot more time into the story to allow for better depth in play. Something which a few games lack in modern times with a few exceptions.

[InspectorG]

Come on Nintendo, after playing Fight Night 3 for months, you are gonna have to do better then this, no matter how "revolutionary and fresh" your control system is

[NeverDie]

so stop playing fight night 3 ya whiner :P

[InspectorG]

:wn:


IG

[Blisken]

Whats the title of the boxing game nintendo's showing? Is it just a simple tech demo? A small online download? A real game? Could be it's just a screenshot from a part of a video that was just showcasing the controller not the hardware. You didn't give any info. In any case, lol yeah they'll have to do better than that. Boxing fans won't go for a game like that.

[Craptastic]

Originally Posted by Blisken

Whats the title of the boxing game nintendo's showing? Is it just a simple tech demo? A small online download? A real game? Could be it's just a screenshot from a part of a video that was just showcasing the controller not the hardware. You didn't give any info. In any case, lol yeah they'll have to do better than that. Boxing fans won't go for a game like that.

It's one of the games included in Wii Sports, I think.

[Belabor]

Originally Posted by Blisken

Whats the title of the boxing game nintendo's showing? Is it just a simple tech demo? A small online download? A real game? Could be it's just a screenshot from a part of a video that was just showcasing the controller not the hardware. You didn't give any info. In any case, lol yeah they'll have to do better than that. Boxing fans won't go for a game like that.

It isn't going after boxing fans.. Just like Super Smash Bros isn't going after Tekken fans or Starfox Assault isn't going after Battlecruiser 3000 AD fans.

[InspectorG]

Yeah, that was a screenie from Wii sports, IGN has a bunch of screenshots up.

My favorite screenshot is this one...

Dude, instead of buying a Wii those peeps needs to invest that money into new wardrobes.

Dang...

[Blisken]

Oh ok, so its basically just their little sports games that are free with the console and to probably get people used to the remote and give them something to tinker with. If thats the case, the graphics dont' bug me at all. If it were a game I was payin 50 bucks for then that'd be a different story.

[Belabor]

Originally Posted by InspectorG

Yeah, that was a screenie from Wii sports, IGN has a bunch of screenshots up.

My favorite screenshot is this one...

Dude, instead of buying a Wii those peeps needs to invest that money into new wardrobes.

Dang...

Golf games have a huge following in Japan. Hot Shots for PS2 is huge in Japan. Those people are wearing that because that would be stereotypical for silly golfers and I think it worked because it's silly but it conveys that.. yes.. there is golf on Wii.. and you can use the controller to swing.

Am I going to have to explain every screenshot to you?

[Waldo]

The three games i want to see with the Wii controller are...

Bartender Simulations. Wiitini Shaker anyone?

Wiick A Mole

Sex games. The adult game industry would go nuts to get their hands on a controller like this ;^)

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Oh snap, someone's already gone there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK8tTBcGGig